Posts by Anony Mous

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Should a Cristian live in a convent?(bethel)

by asp59 in

i have a real problem with this one.

jesus said follow his steps closely.

never read in new testament about people living in convents.

Anony Mous

You must understand that there were different Christian faiths (actually Jewish sects) in the early centuries. So the Bible reflects different stories from Paul, Peter and others.

It seems some Christians did indeed cut themselves off from the world in order to wait for the end of the world to come (basically a doomsday cult version). They seemed to have all died off (for obvious reasons).

I don't have a problem with people choosing to cut themselves off from the world for religious reasons, there may be legitimate reasons to do this (eg. people with feelings of pedophilia or people with PTSD) and may even be beneficial (becoming deeply learned and being able to share that wisdom with the community). To say you are required to live your life like that is an entirely different thing.

The Christians living in a commune thing is highly unlikely, some people have brought that up, but the reason Ananias and Sapphira were killed in the story, is because they lied and bragged about their donating all their possession when in reality they kept some for themselves (more of an OT punishment, fitting to some Christians that still believed in the strict Deuteronomical law).

The idea of an intentional communal living situation with its own religious and legal system for a permanent system (not to wait for the 'end to come'), did not exist until it was dangerous and full enough in places like Europe for some people to want to exit 'society' into the recently discovered lands like the Americas. This was a way of both political and religious thinking through the Victorian period that culminated in Engels and Marx.

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Faith-Apostasy-Atheism

by DoubtingThomas in

i have been on m any different forums, and only carm is similar to this.. all the rest have rather hypocritical trust in god.. this and carm are for those who apostate to the wtbs and to god.. turned off by the gb, or hypocritical examples in the congregation, they drop worshiping god and their belief in the bible... for they know too much,.

that's why scripture isn't discussed, and jws like me, are demonized.. i am cool with that!

maybe some of you will come to their senses!.

Anony Mous

Lol, DoubtingThomas, I feel sad for you that you have an entirely made-up story in your mind about what others believe and how they should live their lives.

It seems to me you don't have much to look forward to in life except the hope that death comes soon so you can live in eternal bliss.

Atheism is how you are born, you aren't aware of anything like a deity and won't truly understand the concept until you're at least in your mid-30s or 40s. Your parents and others may teach you life lessons from a religious book, I'm all for the life lessons that ancient stories tell us, but then to take that to the extent that 'all others must believe as I do, or they are doomed' seems a sad way of then cutting yourself off from the rest of the world.

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Tennis Controversy in Australia

by smiddy3 in

apr 20, 2020. novak djokovic sparks a backlash after publicly opposing the covid-19 vaccine.

he says: “personally, i am opposed to vaccination, and i wouldn’t want to be forced by someone to take a vaccine in order to be able to travel.”.

asked by sky news australia anchor danica de giorgio why djokovic was granted the visa in the first place, the home affairs minister said: “they’re entirely separate processes”.. “to gain entry to australia you need both – you actually need the visa, which is determined quite separately, and then you have to meet the entry requirements,” she said.. “i know that people are putting the two issues together, but the visa application process and the granting of a visa is very separate to the additional entry requirements that every traveller needs to meet to be able to enter australia.”.

Anony Mous

Apparently Djokovic and other lesser known tennis players have since been detained in a 'hotel' (aka prison) known for human rights abuses. Some people have been there for years without a trial and get moldy food or maggot infested dinner, and if they complain, the food is taken away.

https://plebeianpost.com/2022/01/08/novak-djokovic-and-renata-voracova-have-visas-cancelled-detained-by-australian-border-force-both-taken-to-the-park-hotel-a-quarantine-facility-known-for-human-rights-abuses-djokovics-father-call-covid/

Great place to be Australia. Sounds a lot like Germany ca 1935.

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My Prediction Regarding New Space Telescope That Will See Back to 100 Million Years From the Big Bang

by Sea Breeze in

a new space telescope launched a few days age that will supposedly be able to see to within 100 million years of the big bang.

wow... only 100 million years from the big bang.

that is pretty early given the 12 billion year age of the universe assigned by scholars who adhere to naturalism.

Anony Mous

@SB: there is a big difference between science discovering more things to the WTBTS. Basically what you and the WTBTS do is have a fixed conclusion and make the data fit accordingly. What science does is collect fixed data and make the conclusion fit accordingly.

Hubble for example did collect data and was assuming the furthest things he could see were individual stars, based on that assumption, he calculated an age of the universe of 2Gy that was immediately falsified by the fact earth was already proven to be 3Gy old, so everyone knew something was wrong, they just didn’t know what. Only later on with better telescopes they found Hubble wasn’t looking at stars but at star clusters and that the standard candle and all the calculations they had made were wrong. If Hubble’s original observations were correct, they would’ve actually proven a created Universe as you describe.

In comparison, the WTBTS continues to hold that Jerusalem fell in 607BCE, despite the fact it didn’t and will continue to warp evidence to fit their calculation (the argument that the Babylonians were wrong, or that the Jews were captured but it was a different Nebuchadnezzar that came back and captured some heathens living in the area).

You for example, have a fixed assumption that the universe was created static, so any evidence is fitted to that argument. But you can’t or don’t want to explain and leave out evidence that counteracts your argument, such as redshift.

Redshift basically indicates that light has been stretched out since it was emitted. Very simplistically: light is both a particle and a wave and gets emitted and travels at a specific frequency, there is no mechanism that inherently slows down light. In a static Universe, a Universe that was created in a single unit as it currently shows up, light doesn’t shift, because it just travels along at the same frequency it was emitted. However the spectrum from far away stars has shifted (slowed down) significantly and we can see that happening equally in every direction. The only explanation is that both space and time between the stars and the observer has been stretched out while the particle/wave has been traveling.

The question is indeed for how long, in the last 100 years we’ve seen several adjustments, but they have confidence ratings, Hubble made a very rough calculation based on what he thought he could see. Had we not improved the observations at that time, the theory would be that the Universe was shrinking, which it can do if we were in a collapsing Universe so you won’t see a doubling of the time anymore, you’ll see minor adjustments in the lower significance digits.

So if your theory for a statically created Universe is true, you have to have matching evidence: no red shift, or an explanation for red shift (a curved Universe, but that has been disproven as well); an observable creator; no development (birth, growth, death) of stars and galaxies; a visible decrease or observable force that maintains or stabilizes entropy (that would preclude black holes since they are a visible source of entropy) Feel free to provide sources for all those observations, noting that at least one of those violates the laws of thermodynamics.

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JW healthcare

by jhine in

given that us healthcare isn't free at point of contact and people have to pay for insurance, which can be expensive and is often linked to employment how do jws get on ?

if they are encouraged to take low paid or part time jobs so l assume don't get good healthcare insurance from their jobs .

how do they cope with medical bills?

Anony Mous

There is an upside and a downside to some of this, as in most countries, low income JW slaves get free and low cost government health care. I also know many pioneers that support themselves with unemployment and disability schemes (can’t go to work but walk all day in service is not a problem).

As in most countries however, low cost government health care and disability sucks. In the US Medicare/Medicaid will at least cover most issues, but in Europe most JWs are reliant on homeopathy and it doesn’t help that “Dr” A. Vogel (purveyor of quack alcoholic tinctures like echinacea) claimed to be anointed and his family and factory almost exclusively employ JWs.

JWs just eat it, as they are hoping for a life without sickness and death, they don’t really care much about their health in this life, thus the real believers are a drain on society at large.

So for the true believers like pioneers, I’m not really worried, the problem outside the US comes when people are reliant on government schemes for that long, it’s really difficult to get out of it and adapt to real life. Even at low wages, taxes in Europe are exorbitant and fixing decades of ignored health problems can be really expensive. In the US many older JWs that eventually stepped outside the rat race in the organization but are still attached, tend to be the opposite, over-medicated (depression, stress etc), obese, overspending on things that don’t really matter like fancy cars and fancy houses, but they still support the poor girls that are pioneering etc to make themselves feel good about themselves.

The best thing to do in the US, get out of there, get a real job or go to school to make a decent living in a trade (once $40-50k/y income, you can pay for really nice private healthcare) and start saving for retirement. If you’re getting out when you’re already close to retirement, then hopefully you’ve made some good financial decisions before, you won’t die, but you won’t leave much behind either. If you’re in Europe, then whatever strata you decided to live in at your 30s-40s is probably what you’ll retire as, if you’re young, there is still hope but you really have to leave it all behind and work really hard.

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My Prediction Regarding New Space Telescope That Will See Back to 100 Million Years From the Big Bang

by Sea Breeze in

a new space telescope launched a few days age that will supposedly be able to see to within 100 million years of the big bang.

wow... only 100 million years from the big bang.

that is pretty early given the 12 billion year age of the universe assigned by scholars who adhere to naturalism.

Anony Mous

@SeaBreeze: what they are expecting is formed stars and the first sets of systems. However as has been proven already, the composition of these systems will be completely different.

Not sure why that would confirm your creation bias as that is what the model predicts.

What you are suggesting is needed for a creation story is a fully static universe, this has already been disproven, you don’t even need to look back that far. Your theory is actually disproven exactly BY redshift. You need to understand why redshift is happening, then you realize quickly the Universe wasn’t made fully formed, as it is impossible for the heavier elements to exist today if they already existed at the time you suggest they should exist.

You are approximately 50 years of hard evidence behind the indisputable facts and approximately 120 years behind the first evidence.

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Article to discuss or argue over: Buddha, Abraham, Jesus and Muhammed: Larger-than-life historic figures or largely legends?

by AndersonsInfo in

jw
friends

i've posted a link to an article that contains important food for thought.

as we search for information to free our minds and hearts of cult-like thinking which entails being able to critically think, we need to ponder research that is available to help us to make important decisions.

we need to allow ourselves to consider other possibilities, something that jw’s are discouraged from doing.

Anony Mous

Amongst scholars it is widely accepted that these books are largely myths and that the people didn’t exist as described.

The mythological story in these books is more important than the actual facts, that is how people until the renaissance used to communicate, everyone understood that books weren’t written as fact but mythology that gave you the basis for morality, law etc. The books weren’t actually written down until around the Roman periods and assembled very similar to the work that the Grimm brothers did in Germany and Eastern Europe in their day.

Basically, the individual books of the Bible were the spoken stories of their day people built their entire way of living around it as it was an important anchor that helped you function properly in society. The stories were just a way of transferring dry facts across generations. Children won’t remember boring watchtower studies, but they will remember fantastical stories, and those stories have a grain of truth but more importantly, knowledge that needs to be transferred and values that need to be taught.

So in my opinion, these stories are very important and valuable, it’s very evident that this is a compendium of almost 250,000 years of human and pre-human wisdom that has been filtered and compressed and needs to be taken serious. You don’t take it as fact, you take it as a lesson.

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NASA hiring religious leaders on extraterrestrial life....

by mikeflood in

nasa hiring religious leaders just in case they found extraterrestrial life, at priceton university's center of theological inquiry.

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just of curiosity, if nasa find something, how do you think the borg is gonna spin it.

Anony Mous

@titch: then the WTBTS would need to admit that the aliens have a channel from god that is better than themselves and we should be following this new channel. That will never happen. Religion is all about power, once you admit someone is stronger, you have lost.

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What have you learn being on this site?

by asp59 in

i have learn a lot about the religion and congregations.

when i was active visiting meetings, i was there for the spiritual food.

i actually thought everyone else was there for same reason ;-) i have learn there's a great variation among jws.

Anony Mous

I learnt that there are a LOT more PIMO than PIMI in this organization, if everyone would get the balls to stand up simultaneously, then there would be a mass exodus. The hardcore JW will always exist, but I truly believe, based on the leaks and stories here, that they are a minority within the organization. The majority of the organization are cogs in a wheel, they are there like Catholics that go to mass, it’s a religion they haven’t ever really thought about. Then there is a significant percentage of people that know but are afraid, I would guess that if those would all leave today, they can bring at least 50% of the people with them.

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NASA hiring religious leaders on extraterrestrial life....

by mikeflood in

nasa hiring religious leaders just in case they found extraterrestrial life, at priceton university's center of theological inquiry.

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just of curiosity, if nasa find something, how do you think the borg is gonna spin it.

Anony Mous

The JW’s would simply say: we never said it wasn’t possible, the Bible clearly hints at these things (see Ezekiel), now we need to find a way to preach to this new field,